Books / Readings, Change!?!, Missional
Dan Kimball in PSWD
The Pacific Southwest District held their annual Spring Event recently. This year’s speaker was Dan Kimball. .
Dan was asked to speak on the topic, They Like Jesus But Not the Church. His presentation was one of the most engaging ones we’ve had in the history of this event. He began by talking about how most Christians live within a “Christian bubble”. They shop at Christian stores, listen to Christian music, fill their calendars with Christian activities (inside and outside their local church) and hang-out with their Christian friends. While some may think this is a great life-style, Dan points out how this isolates us from those whom Christ is calling us to reach. The more we are isolated from them, the less we understand how they think and what we might do to actually reach them. In his book by the same title he writes, “Christians are now the foreigners in a post Christian Culture and we have got to wake up to this reality. . .”
He continued his presentation by sharing how we need to think of ourselves as missionaries in our neighborhoods. He also writes in his book, “When missionaries enter another culture, they listen, learn, study the spiritual beliefs of the culture, and get a sense of what the cultures’ values are. They may try to discover what experiences this culture has had with Christians and what the people of the culture think of Christianity. Missionaries in a foreign culture don’t practice the faiths or embrace the spiritual beliefs of that culture, but they do respect them, since the missionaries are on the other cultures’ turf. . .”
For the rest of the presentation, he touched on the following points in his book of why people don’t like the church. Though we may not agree with the following points, Dan shares that these are the perceptions of what others have on the church.
1) The church is an organized religion with a political agenda.
2) The church is judgmental and negative.
3) The church is dominated by males and oppresses females.
4) The church is homophobic.
5) The church arrogantly claims all other religions are wrong.
6) The church is full of fundamentalists who take the whole Bible literally.
I met with Dan in February and the night before the event to help him understand who the Brethren are and what might best work in his presentation (I had seen it twice before.). Of this list, the idea that we oppress females isn’t true in this district. In fact the two largest churches have women as pastors. Since the PSWD has had difficulty in dealing with the homosexual conversation in years past, I encouraged him to touch on the topic, show the video interview he has, stress how we need to be hospitable to all people, and move on.
At this point of the day, his coffee really started kicking-in. After he shared his material on how others think of the church as homophobic, he asked, “How does this issue play-out in the Church of the Brethren? How do you deal with the issue?”. For a moment, fear kicked-in. We had people from open and affirming congregations and people from the other side of the issue both present. What happened over the next 45 minutes was totally a gift from God! Dan led a discussion where people lovingly and respectfully discussed the issue of gay and lesbian involvement in the church and how we should reach out and care for them. It was a totally amazing time!
If you or others struggle with evangelism or being missional, I would highly recommend his book. This material can be helpful in changing our attitudes towards those outside the church and give us understanding on how they might be thinking. Zondervan has also created a DVD curriculum to teach the materials in the book in 6 small group sessions. It also has sermon outlines and shorter video clips to play in a worship service.
It was great to be surprised and blessed by God at the PSWD Spring Event!
15 May 2008 Jeff Glass
Wow, that sounds wonderful. I can just feel the panic you described when he opened the floor for discussion. How wonderful that God had this time and this place and this group to show us that indeed there is another way of living even inside the Church of the Brethren. I hope we took notes on how he laid the groundwork for that conversation and can use those skills at another time ordained by God to continue the positive exchange of thought, idea, passion, theology and wonder. Thanks for sharing Jeff, see you in July.
Hi Kate,
Thanks for your comment! I don’t know if anyone was taking notes during the conversation. I was too focused on what was being said and initially fearing what could come-out.
I think why it worked well was because Dan had earned the trust of everyone by this time of the day. Also, Dan is not apart of the CoB. He’s not a part of the system. He doesn’t have any particular reputation, label, or agenda within our church. Others agree with me that his being an “outsider” really helped to facilitate this conversation.
Check with Angie. She and a handful of others came from your new congregation (congrats on the call!). Maybe one of them took notes. I would love to have a set, if they did.
Blessings to you!
Jeff
Brother Jeff,
I would like to take a few moments to respond to the perceptions that Brother Dan addressed. I am troubled by perceptions being addressed with, what seems like, no opportunity for rebuttal. Perhaps this is one such format. I would probably be considered “fundamentalist” in that I believe that the Bible does offer unchanging truths. As Rick Warren stated “the message (of the Bible) does not change, but the method in which it is presented changes with each generation.” We cannot change the Word of God to suit a persons lifestyle or life in general. If we understand the doctrine of Sanctification, the Word does not conform to us, but us to the Word.
I would like the opportunity to address each point:
1) The church is an organized religion with a political agenda.
This one seems to be “red hot.” Could those of us in the Church of the Brethren (or any other “peace church”) be viewed as possibly working more with a “political agenda” than with a “biblical agenda?” At Annual Conference, many of the so-called expressions of the peace witness by “outsiders” be seen simply as the political pacifism seen in the 60’s and 70’s?
2) The church is judgmental and negative.
Jesus said “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” and yet He also said that we may “a tree is recognized by its fruit.” We are not called to condemn one another, but we are called to be “fruit inspectors” and in love point out these areas of diversity (if it contradicts God’s established Word)>
3) The church is dominated by males and oppresses females.
In the Church of the Brethren, I have seen what seems to be extreme effort to correct this perspective in the slate of officers presented at Annual and District Conference for the delegates to call.
4) The church is homophobic.
Homophobic is defined as “irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.” I would not say “fear of or aversion to” as much as I would say “concern toward and burden for.” They need the love of God as much as anyone else does.
5) The church arrogantly claims all other religions are wrong.
It is not done in any way arrogantly. Jesus Himself said that He was the Way, the Trust and the Life and no one comes to the Father except through Him. Peter said in Acts 4:12″Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” If they are even somewhat interested in a positive eternity they must come through Jesus only.
6) The church is full of fundamentalists who take the whole Bible literally.
It has been said that to be conservative is the desire to “hold on” to what has been passed down from generation to generation (a love for heritage) and to be liberal is to desire to “give away” everything that was lovingly preserved and passed down. I do take the Bible as God’s literal love letter given to steer us onto the path of righteousness. It is only when we start picking and choosing what suits us best that we get all up-tight about fundamentalism.
In the Love of the Father and the grace of Christ,
John
Greetings, John! Thanks for joining the conversation!!!
I really appreciate your taking some time to read and share your thoughts from your Biblical and Brethren understanding. As you quoted Rick Warren, “the message (of the Bible) does not change, but the method in which it is presented changes with each generation.â€, this is exactly what Dan has tried to do in each of his books. This book and topic is to help congregations understand what the attitudes might be like in their communities so that they can be more strategic and compassionate in reaching out to them.
I find your reactions to each of Dan’s 6 points to be interesting. It would be nice if we could get more Brethren to react to them. However, these are not Dan’s perceptions of the church, but the perceptions that those outside the church have shared with Dan. Dan is writing and talking in big generalities from the research that he’s done. The perceptions of those outside the church may be different in your community. Dan is from the West Coast, in a liberal university town.
If you would like to respond directly to Dan, check-out his blog at DanKimball.com. There, you can respond to him directly.
Again, thanks for sharing! I hope you’ll respond again in the future.
Blessings to you,
Jeff