Change!?!, Decline/Growth, Leadership, Ministry Formation, Young Adults
My money, my mouth
In the year that I’ve ministered with the Pomona Fellowship, I have gone through quite a bit of evolution in my beliefs, although mostly with regard to ecclesiology. As a result, I have recaptured a passion for ministry that I haven’t had since my first years in seminary. But that passion has also transformed me into a bit of a throwback to the earliest Brethren. That first group of believers was economically communal, intentionally peaceful, and socially, egalitarian. They had no paid ministers, no cathedrals, no choirs or complicated liturgy. By these distinctions, they created ‘another way’ of Christian community, modeled not on the institutional church of their day, but instead on the church of New Testament.
What I have written below is part of what I have come to believe. It is not intended as a slight against my friends and colleagues in full-time ministry. Rather, please read what follows as a primer on what I think the future holds for the generations emerging in the larger church of Jesus Christ. Of course, as always, this is only one man’s opinion. Search your hearts, search the scriptures, and decide for yourselves if the ideas below comport with the teachings of New Testament.
A trend has been sweeping through The Church of the Brethren for over 100 years. It’s as if someone abducted nearly every church leader and reprogrammed their minds with the logic that argues, “If you have a deep serious relationship to Jesus Christ, you should become a full time pastor or missionary.” It’s so automatic that it’s scary. Against the backdrop of our declining churches and the fewer and fewer folk who file in every Sunday, anyone whose spiritual health rises above the level of comatose is instantly encouraged to pursue vocational ministry.
It doesn’t seem to matter that God may have strategically placed them within their own unique culture and community, with a career (potential or progressing) that could amply provide for their family, and put them in touch with people who don’t know Christ. No one tells them about Paul’s clear instruction that the new birth should not affect a person’s current vocation.
He says it three times, so how do we miss this?
Each of you should continue to live in whatever situation the Lord has placed you, and remain as you were when God first called you. This is my rule for all the churches. For instance, a man who was circumcised before he became a believer should not try to reverse it. And the man who was uncircumcised when he became a believer should not be circumcised now. For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God’s commandments. Yes, each of you should remain as you were when God called you. Are you a slave? Don’t let that worry you—but if you get a chance to be free, take it. And remember, if you were a slave when the Lord called you, you are now free in the Lord. And if you were free when the Lord called you, you are now a slave of Christ. God paid a high price for you, so don’t be enslaved by the world. Each of you, dear brothers and sisters, should remain as you were when God first called you. (1 Corinthians 7:17-24, NLT)
But we know our recent traditions better than the ancient Scripture; so the world is drained of our brightest most energetic leaders, and the secular workplace ends up missing those truly gifted to be examples of The Faith.
I’m convinced that we have such an artificial system of “church” that most of us can’t even process Paul’s logic. We have created a mythical category of Christian service known as “full-time ministry” supported by an un-biblical clergy/laity division within the body of Christ.
In 1 Corinthians Paul catalogs the leadership roles of the church. There he lists apostle, prophet, evangelist, and teacher as essential for a healthy Christian community. But because they’re paid a full-time salary, most parishioners expect a full-time pastor to have all these gifts. Unfortunately, none of them do, and so our churches are robbed of the spiritual leadership they need and deserve.
I’m not suggesting that we ‘muzzle the ox’, people don’t value what they don’t pay for, and theological education is expensive. But a prophet is not a prophet if he is beholden to those that pay him. Courageous honesty is just too easily corrupted when you’re worried about your mortgage or whether or not you can afford to retire. Leaders like that neither make waves nor disciples.
Freedom to tell the truth is the key to leader-like, leadership. Absent that, everything that matters will be absent; no apostles, no prophets, no evangelists, no teachers; just sad, scared, scrambling ministers all too aware of their own limitations. What we need is a revolution of thought. A new paradigm that opens the pulpit to a multiplicity of voices, and frees our ministers to live as a citizen missionaries.
15 Mar 2008 Mike Salerno
Mike,
Wow. That sounds just amazing. What is your other job? I have been in the pastorate so long now that I don’t have any other skills. My college degrees are useless becuase they are so old. How do we move to the couragous place you are withouth marketable skills in the world???
Kate
Mike,
You have written what has been on my heart and mind for awhile now. I’ve been a full time youth and also young adults pastor in two different churches and in both situations I felt underpaid (struggled financially) and “out of the loop” in regards to what happens outside the church wall.
After I resigned my last position, I started driving a semi. Talk about getting out of the “bubble”! Yet, I grew in my passion for Christ and actually learned from other truckers. God figure!
I’ve now (after 2 years trucking) taken a job driving a school bus and started a ministry Liquid Community. My heart is for ministry, yet I don’t feel I can go down the “raise support” from Churches model.
I can work, I love my job and it means my minstry doesn’t have all that financial pressure of supporting my family. I’m loving my balance of ministry and “secular” work. I hate the “secular/sacred” divide, but you get what I mean!
Thank you so much for your post, keep up the great work.
Hi Kate,
My pre-ministry work history was as a vocational expert and career counselor. I will certainly return to that type of work. Probably amongst people with HIV.
Some of what I wrote here (and believe) is for the next generation of pastors. In my church in Pomona, almost all of my parishioners are 70 and over. It would be wrong to ask them to change their liturgical form of worship to accommodate a younger crowd. So instead of wholesale change in the Sunday service, we have a second service Sunday evenings. An independent parallel track. We honor what the last generation accomplished by allowing them to keep it. They honor us by allowing us to evolve. I think the same should be true for the pastors of these older congregations.
That said I should add, even though I don’t know your work history or your age, I imagine that you have more skills than you realize. Although its true that computer science, or genetics, or law would likely be out of range, you certainly could counsel kids that have become teenage parents, or work with the developmentally disabled, or as a chaplain in a hospice. All three are just examples, but you would qualify for each, and all three would add texture, creativity and financial freedom to your ministry.
Blessings to you,
Mike
Geoff,
Dude you rock!
Thanks for the atta-boy
If you’re truck ever gets you to SoCal, look me up
Peace,
~m
I can give you nothing but encouragement, but also a realization that it is not for everyone. Peter and the other apostles did live on support from their people. Paul chose to be a tentmaker.
I did leave paid ministry about five, six years ago, and tried ot get a job so that I could be in the real world. I found a great job that would allow me to choose my hours and pastor with the people I met. As a life insurance salesperson, we talked about finances, family and death, great pastoral subjects. I also could pray with people about job loss or fears of illness. But then the job was removed from me, allowed by God.
Now I am a full time student and we live on my pastor husband’s salary. I do want to earn some money again, but probably only a half time salary, so that I have the freedom to be in ministry in other ways.
I would add that pastors have job skills in conflict resolution, communication, sales, etc. There are specific job search engines for over fifty.
One issue we will need to deal with as CoB is the younger pastors who have a lot of college and/or seminary debt to pay off.
Hi Marla, thanks for taking time to read. I am totally jealous about your return to school. My time in seminary was the best time of my life. Have fun!
Within a gigantic congregation, I guess full time ministry could make sense, but I can’t help asking the question, “What in the world do we need gigantic congregations for?”
I served at Calvary Chapel Golden Springs for years (3,000+ on any given Sunday), and can say with some conviction that warehousing Christians does little to disciple them.
But I it’s true, if you want to put on a Jesus themed concert every Sunday morning, you gotta have a bunch of folks around to play their parts. And somebody’s gotta direct all that; call that person a full-time pastor. I personally don’t enjoy or appreciate that expression of Christian community anymore… regardless whether the worship is traditional or contemporary.
I think the church is too just burdened with concerns of real estate, pageantry, and ministerial wages. Rid of that, we could focus on being the Church, rather than going to church.
I do like to sing and pray and study the Scripture within a community of friends. And it cost’s a bit coin to know what’s what in the Bible. I am happy to share what I know, and happy to repaid for the time and expense of obtaining the knowledge. But ministry as a primary source of income seems a tad like pocket-picking to me. I mean, why should the old folks or young adults in my church pay for my house?
During the week, my parishioners (the young people that worship Sunday evenings as Missio Dei), are working. When they’re home, they are doing laundry, or cleaning the house, or gardening, or whatever… being in the office at the church doesn’t serve them… in fact, they’re oblivious to my office hours. I could help them cook and do their laundry, but I don’t think that, that is what my education was for. Paying me to read and write is silly, I would do both anyway, without wages… something that’s clearly evident here.
Young pastors within the CoB are a concern, but I believe that we are working with a paradigm that is flawed at its core.
Rather than paying them a wage, congregations should pay for their pastor’s education and when they return expect them to be productive members of society, preferably in a vocation that promotes social justice. In addition, in church, they should expound the scripture as teachers, or preach the gospel as evangelists, or speak truth to power as prophets, or mentor the next generation of leaders as apostles. But in a community of ‘many ministers’ that should be done as an avocation.
Church planters are another area of concern. I think that these folks should also be seminary trained before they are sent out to plant a new community. The cost of training these folks ought to be borne by each respective district, with a contractual guarantee that they will be bi-vocational after graduation for a certain period while they build a community in their homes. People with Master Degrees are very employable, although seminaries ought to teach something in addition to theology.
When I was in school I intentionally completed two degrees, a Master of Divinity, and a Master of Arts in Inter-Cultural Studies. The M.A. is my secular degree and has ensured that I am marketable both in the church and in the world.
This response is as wordy as my post, so it’s time to stop writing and admit that I know what I am suggesting here requires a revolution of thought… a changing of the guard so to speak. It won’t be easy, and it won’t happen overnight. But Alexander Mack founded the Church of the Brethren by rejecting the institutional paradigm of the church of his day and attempting to emulate the Christians of 1st century. I think it’s high time that we returned to that model and try to be more like Antioch, not Saddleback.
And one last thought; there is no way of knowing whether or not the original apostles did or didn’t support themselves throughout the course of their ministry. One sentence in Acts does not support anything except poorly supported presumption. The ancient world was largely agrarian, and as such, indeed in one way or another, everyone worked for a living.
Blessings to you Marla,
~m
Hi Mike –
I’m a new-comer to this site, brought here by a plug from Jonathan Shively in an e-mail discussion at Bethany Theological Seminary. I had not heard of the “Emergent Church” movement at all, until last week – thanks to an e-mail discussion originally started by Scott Holland.
The “Connections” program there allows for long-distance learning, all while maintaining your current job. (my current paying job is as an engineer). So it is perfect for all of us who are in it, as we can straddle both worlds!
I couldn’t agree more with what I am reading here. My calling has never been to a full-time ministry position in a church building – though it took me a number of years to figure that out. I am hoping to become a chaplain – sort of a bridge between both worlds, in a way. It is a way to bridge what I do as a volunteer (play the harp for hospice patients) and also to provide a service that allows me to eat! 🙂
I am very excited about these “emergent” ideas that I have been reading about this past week. A traditional church approach has never spoken to my heart, although I appreciate that there are many to which it does speak.
However, I find traditional paradigms about what “church” looks like to be far from the way God is calling me. Until recently, I thought the best I could do would be something like a chaplain – a way to live a life of love and service to others, but without the ties to a church “building” that I find to be limiting and unnecessary.
It is amazing to me that in spite of the many theological differences that separate us Christians, the structure of what a church “is†seems to be so universally accepted! That is – pulpits, pews and preachers; board meetings, buildings and budgets.
From what I am reading here so far, I think there are many of us who wish for so much more! Not that the other is not necessary or vitally important for many – just that there could be, and should be, so much MORE! Too often, those of us with callings beyond the traditional “structures†have very few options.
Anyway – just dipping my toe in the “baptismal waters†here, so to speak! 🙂 I look forward to learning and sharing with everyone here!
(and thanks to all those who have conceived of this web site, and are so graciously posting and maintaining all this)
in peace, Matthew
Brother Mike, while I appreciate your thoughts and sharings, I see within your comments the same difficulties that you lift up in your comments about the traditional role of professional clergy in the traditional sense. Simply put, Mike, one model will never fit all. I believe that the emergent church will provide yet another configuration for service in the Lord’s name but it will not become any more a standard than any other form of pastoral ministry. Your scripture quote from Paul is really not supportive of your position–it speaks to conditions regarding religious, cultural and status background, not geographic or vocational concerns. We all must take care in not reading what we want to hear in scripture rather than what is said.
Having said that, let me say that I support the emergent church approach to ministry; I simply would challenge you to broaden your vision of how ministry can work in a very diverse range of forms, including the traditional.
Hi Matthew,
It’s fun to hear that Jonathan Shively directed you to this site; he is in a way my predecessor in Pomona.
In my post I was only touching on Form, the form of the pastorate. The emergent conversation also has much to say with regard to Format and Function as well; both of the pastorate and of the church.
There is alot of great reading out there. Kirkegaard and Derrida, Bolger and McLaren, Viola and Barna… even Bertrand Russell is worth a read if your faith is strong enough to bear it. But beware, the waters you are entering are DEEP! You really need to know how to swim before you dive into a pool this majestic… cause Toto, you’re not in Kansas (or Indiana) anymore.
Please consider yourself invited to worship… we meet Sunday nights 6pm to 9pm. Sounds long, goes fast. To be fair, between dinner, dessert, Manishevitz and sweet bread (our communion), half the time we’re eating. Sometime between those things we manage to sing and pray and study the scripture… Which by the way is in the Gospel of John from now into the foreseeable future.
For a more fully realized view of what we are building toward ‘formatwise’, plan a pilgrimage to Solomons Porch in Minneapolis; it’s only 9hrs away from you by car. Way worth the time and trouble, I’m guessing you would find their Sunday evening gathering revolutionary.
Blessings!
Mike
Hi Mike –
BTW – I was so excited to say hi yesterday, that I forgot to say what a courageous decision you have made! I would imagine it must be exhilarating and a little scary at the same time. I would love to see/hear you more about that decision!
As far as Russell and other philosophers – not to worry, I’m a philosophy major! 🙂 (Pontifical College Josephinum – Columbus, OH) So from Plato and Aristotle, Aquinas to Kant, Hegel, Russell, Kierkegaard, Marx and even Nietzsche – I have read pretty widely in philosophy. I’ve always felt that if something challenges my faith, it is probably something that should be challenged. I think the principle of “Truth†is much bigger than any religious dogma or belief. If there is some doubt, I don’t want to hide it, but face it squarely. Which is one of the big things that has brought me to this site.
I have a lot of doubts about the traditional ways that we Christians think and talk about church, Jesus, God. I think it is important to face those doubts, and the doubts of what seems to be an ever-increasing number of people, for whom the old symbols are not only silent, but actually a barrier.
I don’t think it’s that the old traditions and symbols need overthrown – it’s just that our notions of them need to be expanded, and room needs made for new ones. And in church after church (I was in about a dozen churches last year of different denominations) many are dying. In some of them, people told us it was so nice to see young people there. I am 47 years old.
Hi Lee,
You’re right about the scripture. The problem is that there really isn’t a NT passage that’s helpful here because in NT times, ministers weren’t paid. Ministry was a way to live, not a way to work. Anyway… I surmise from your salutation you that are lifelong Brethren and hail from a generation or two before mine. As I mentioned to Marla, I’m fairly certain that my thoughts on vocational ministry are best employed by folks my age (43) and younger.
But the truth is, I do see myself as a bit of a throwback. The early Brethren had no paid ministers, no cathedrals, no choirs or complicated liturgy, they created ‘another way’ of Christian community modeled on the NT, not the institutional church of their day. They had the right idea.
As I see it the Brethren have back-peddled their way into the mainstream of the American church by forgetting from whence we come… and I don’t mean Schwarzenau, I mean Antioch.
Am I saying that I want to return to all the old ideas, no.
Garb – bad, instruments – good, etc… But the first principal was to gather in Form, Format and Function as Christians gathered in the 1st century. And if we are to truly be ‘another way’, then the emerging generations must (and will) question everything we do to see if it lines up with the practices of the community that Jesus established.
With regard to the origin of clergy salaries, the idea of paying ministers came into the church round about the third century and is first noted by Cyprian of Carthage. Cyprian argued that just as the Levities were supported by the tithe, so also should Christian clergy be supported. Cyprian’s plea was exceedingly rare for his time. It was neither picked up nor echoed by the Christian populace until much later. Other than Cyprian, no Christian writer before Constantine ever used the Old Testament references to advocate tithing, or paying the clergy.
It was not until the fourth century, 300 years after Christ, that a few Christian leaders began to advocate tithing as a practice to support the clergy. It did not become widespread among Christians until the eighth century.
Paid priests, scribes, Pharisees and Sadducee’s, these are features of temple religion. When Jesus was crucified those forms of leadership were buried with the renting of the veil.
In fact I seriously doubt that tithing was a New Testament practice. Jesus did not teach it to his disciples. The first century Christians did not observe it. And for 300 years, followers of Christ did not do it. Tithing did not become a widely accepted practice among Christians until the eighth century, though they gave generously, often a well above 10% from the beginning.
Tithing is only mentioned four times in the New Testament and none of these instances apply to Christians. Tithing belongs to the Old Testament era where a taxation system was needed to support the poor and a special priesthood that had been set apart to minister to the Lord. With the coming of Jesus Christ, there has been a “change of the law” the old has been “set aside” and rendered obsolete by the new (Hebrews 7:12 – 18; 8:13).
We are all priests now – free to function in God’s house. The Law, the old priesthood, the tithe, all of them have been crucified. There is now no temple curtain, no temple tax, and no special priesthood that stands between God and humanity. We have all been set free from the bondage of tithing and from the obligation to support a clergy system.
My hope is, like the first century Christians, we give out of a free cheerful heart, without guilt, religious obligation, or manipulation… generously helping those in need (2 Corinthians 8: 1 – 4; 9:6 – 7)
may God bless you Lee
~m
“In some of them, people told us it was so nice to see young people. I am 47 years old.”
Dude… I get that everyday.
About Solomons Porch… just go. Seriously. Make it a long weekend with the wife. Priceline a room at the Hyatt, get a steak at Manny’s, Do some shopping at the Mall of America, enjoy the trip and get a look at what they do Sunday nights. The services are at 5pm and 7pm. Really really different… for example, no pews, couches and chairs. No front, only a center.
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